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Tuesday, 7 January 2014

John Yudkin on Dietary Instinct, plus examples from experiments with Wistar Rats and Orphans

Arguments for a Soda Tax are sometimes based on the specific metabolic effects of fructose, but for most people these effects are only slightly more stressful than the effects of glucose, and probably not worth worrying about too much. A more convincing argument to my mind is that sugar availability promotes overconsumption of energy, and carbohydrate energy in particular. Not to mention azo dyes and similar unappreciated toxins, which are mainly consumed associated with sugars. This allows the sugar industry to say "it's the calories" when analysing the data. But does restricting sugar make it easier for individuals to select a nutritious diet without overeating?

Dietary Instinct, by John Yudkin
(from the Penguin Encyclopaedia of Nutrition, 1985)

     It is sometimes asked "Why do we need nutritional advice?" Animals in their natural habitat, including our early ancestors, ate the foods that they instinctively chose, and those foods when available must be assumed to have supplied all their nutritional needs; natural selection would otherwise have insured the disappearance of the species. Why then does modern man need to be told how to obtain a balanced diet with fruit and vegetables for vitamin C, meat, fish, eggs, milk, and cheese for protein, and so on?
     It has been proposed that this has arisen because man, with his scientific and technological skill, can make extracts from foods, mix them in varying proportions, add synthetic flavours and colours, and so produce new foods, more attractive and sometimes cheaper than many of the foods in their natural state. The qualities of attractiveness do not, however, ensure that the foods contain much, if any, of the necessary nutrients. As a result these new attractive foods may replace other and more nutritious foods in the diet and thus predispose to deficiency, or be eaten in addition to other foods and so predispose to the development of obesity. A further suggestion is that, because the most attractive new foods are those rich in sugar, they lead to an excessive consumption of this undesirable dietary item.

     This approach to the question of what is a balanced diet lays stress more on what foods should be avoided than on what foods should be chosen. If the wrong foods are avoided, instinct will determine the amounts and selections from the correct foods. These are the foods than can be gathered, taken out of the soil, or slaughtered: the sorts of foods our ancestors hunted and gathered. They are meat, fish, eggs, fruits and vegetables; because of the constraints of pressure of population and of urbanization, it is usually necessary to add two of the foods introduced in the early days of the agricultural revolution, namely milk and cereal-based foods such as bread. Without these foods it would in many countries be difficult for the less wealthy to get enough to eat.
     According to this argument, dietary instinct determines that we choose a food because we like it rather than because we need it. Dietary instinct cannot therefore be relied upon as an appropriate guide for a healthy diet when it is possible for the food manufacturer, and to some extent the skilled cook, to make foods that are increasingly attractive without regard to their wholesomeness or nutritional value.


Does dietary instinct work in captivity, which may be a realistic model for civilization?

In this study, rats self-selecting diet, from weaning to maturity, ate more protein and fat and less carbohydrate than rats fed standard chow.

In self-selecting males, protein intake was maximal at Week 7 of age and then plateaued (Week 13), whereas in females, protein consumption peaked at Week 7 and then steadily decreased. Females showed a strong and early preference for fat, which increased continuously with age. Differences between dietary groups in body fat mass were not observed with the exception of higher subcutaneous fat found in self-selecting rats. Moreover, insulinemia was lower in both male and female self-selecting rats. The high-protein, high-fat diet chosen by the self-selecting rats could be linked to a prevention of the age-related insulin resistance.

Here, in the follow-up from the same group, protein intake was circadian and high intakes are mentioned:

Rats that are allowed to select their diets [dietary self- selection (DSS)2] are able to regulate their daily energy intake, body weight gain, and reproductive cycle (14). Broad variations in macronutrient selection nonetheless occur. In the case of protein, the intake required to maintain a stable nitrogen balance and protein turnover in human adults and rats has been established at 10–15% of total energy, and a high protein intake is often considered an unnecessary burden, particularly for the liver and kidneys (57) With DSS, rats spontaneously ingest up to 30% or even 50% of their total energy intake in the form of protein. 
(I know you'll be wanting references 5-7 from that study, well two are just "WHO Guidelines" and "Dietary Recommendations" type committee-generated rubbish, the only scientific evidence is here, and the abstract doesn't include morbidity or mortality data. Human data is that restricting animal protein is unnecessary and perhaps ill-advised in diabetic kidney disease, and that some hunter-gatherer diets, such as that of the Australian Aborigine, can be very high in protein - 50% or more - see the Drs Eades' Protein Power, p. 46-48)

[Edit 1: RCT (full-text as PDF download) where healthy males were fed 3g meat protein per Kg body weight for 3 weeks. "
Healthy young males fed a HP diet improved reaction time. No adverse effects of the HP diet were observed. Branched chain amino acids and phenylalanine in plasma were significantly increased following the HP diet, which may explain the improved reaction time." However, a lower carbohydrate intake was also considered a possible cause of improved reaction times.]

The problem with rat experiments is that rats are never offered much in the way of real foods. It's always a choice between one type of supplemented junk and another with them. If they're lucky they'll get a little bacon or butter, but humane experiments like that are very much the exception.

[Edit 2: here is a rat self-selecting diet experiment that seems to show that a higher sugar content - in this case 37% - of the carbohydrate portion cancels the benefits of dietary self-selection. Much as Yudkin predicted, but without increased caloric intake, indeed on a high-protein (45%) and high-fat diet (protective against IR at 10% sugar but not at 37%).
This reminds me of the "Elegant Solution" Lisle Masden papers where sugar in the diet abrogated the benefits of omega 3 EFAs because of its interaction with linoleic acid; these rat diets would have been high in omega 6, the high protein/lower carb should have been protective, but the presence of sugar - whether as fructose or as "high GI" carb (so to speak) abrogated this]

Are there experiments testing Dietary Instinct in humans? Luckily, such an experiment was run in a Chicago orphanage during the 1920s by Dr Clara M. Davis.

Bust of Dr Clara M. Davis, France 1918, requisitioned and melted down by German Army in WW2.

It is discussed here by Canadian science journalist Stephen Strauss:

The foods she offered the children were varied, but all were generally thought to be healthy. Their intrinsic goodness meant that it would have been difficult for her small charges to veer too far from the nutritional straight-and-narrow.

[the list of foods:
1. Water

2. sweet milk (i.e. milk)
3. sour milk
4. sea salt
5. apples
6. bananas
7. orange juice
8. fresh pineapple
9. peaches
10. tomatoes
11. beets
12. carrots
13. peas 
14. turnips 
15. cauliflower 
16. cabbage 
17. spinach 
18. potatoes 
19. lettuce 
20. oatmeal 
21. wheat 
22. cornmeal 
23. barley 
24. Ry-Krisp 
25. beef 
26. lamb 
27. bone marrow 
28. bone jelly 
29. chicken 
30. sweetbreads 
31. brain 
32. liver 
33. kidneys 
34. fish (haddock)
(some meat and offal was available both cooked and raw, where hygiene permitted, all cereals were boiled, no composite foods such as bread, soup or custard were offered. A wholefood is also a food by itself.)
“Errors the children's appetites must have made — they are inherent in any trial-and-error method — but the errors with such a food list were too trivial and too easily compensated for to be of importance or even to be detected.” The key thing was to provide healthy food and let children eat as much or as little of it as they wanted.
“The results of the experiment, then: Leave the selection of the foods to be made available to young children in the hands of their elders, where everyone has always known it belongs,” she told her peers in Montréal.
While an interesting double-hinged interpretation of her results, it was, Davis recognized, more a comforting argument than a true demonstration of the limitations of baby body wisdom. She did not present her little ones with a foolproof diet, just a not-intrinsically-foolish one.
It is actually beyond easy to imagine how Davis's orphans could have eaten themselves sick with healthy foods. Had one or more chosen only meat, fish and eggs, within short order they would likely have come down with scurvy. Had another been a fanatical vegan and eaten only fruits and vegetables, there is a good likelihood that he or she would have experienced a vitamin B12 deficiency and megaloblastic anemia.
Thus, the issue, really, was the extent to which an inner nutrition-seeking mechanism might lead children through the maze of choices they actually would face in the modern, eating world. What would happen, for example, if you offered the children not the Paleolithic diet of the Davis orphanage, but one where today's processed foodstuffs — think of a Big Mac mush, a slurry of Snickers and cola galore — were also on the menu?
Davis considered this and was not sure — particularly when confronted with the baroque ways her children constructed individual healthy diets out of a plethora of nutritious foods. To resolve the question, she told her Montréal audience she had decided to conduct just such a processed-food versus natural-food experiment. But alas, it was not to be: “The depression dashed this hope,” she laconically remarked, after a lack of funding forced the original experiment itself to end in 1931.

The PDF of Clara M. Davis's original report of her remarkable n=15 experiment can be seen here.
Average macronutrient disribution chosen was 17% protein, 35% fat, 48% carbohydrate (it would be hard to get a higher fat/protein ratio from the foods available, as there is no butter or oil).
The diet is both nutrient-dense and energy dense, in modern parlance. It is low in PUFA but fructose from fruit is readily available. We can only speculate on the reasons why pork was not included, whether this was a religious convenience or a health based decision.

There is an interesting reference in the paper to a form of dietary self-selection also being used in the Children's Memorial Hospital at that time. Children convalescing from the glandular fever epidemic consumed more carrots, beets, and raw beef. I'm guessing that raw beef and raw offal was not on the menu at 
the Children's Memorial Hospital, but who knows? In the context of Chicago and Prohibition, all bets are off.

The children were as healthy as 1920's children could be. I wonder if any have written memoirs, and I dearly hope Stephen Strauss completes his promised book on this affair. I know a lot of people who will be interested in that.

So there we have it - cut out sugar, stock the home with real foods only, and watch the appetite go feral.

Some Clara M. Davis from the interweb:
A letter to Clara M. Davis
A 1987 review (paywall)
A good blogger's take, from a baby-led weaning advocate.

Dr Clara M. Davis

A contemporary pop song summed up the healthy 1920's diet:


Anonymous said...

Fascinating, George. The kid with rickets choosing to take the cod liver oil surprised me - my kids hate me when I force them to take it. I wonder how they explained its presence on his tray.

Puddleg said...

I think the kids were so young to begin with that peer pressure doesn't seem to have mattered, and they may have lacked language skills to formulate and ask such questions.
Yes, that interested me, and that they didn't force it on him but let nature take its course.
Some say the experiment was unethical. I'd like to know, what's so ethical about the way kids are fed today?

Puddleg said...

Oh, and the reference to beets (with carrots and raw beef)being favoured during convalescence, when they were not popular foods at other times, that's interesting.
Beets are the food on the menu with most antioxidant capacity, the only source of anthocyanins, the only source of betalains, the richest source of betaine and of nitrates.
Together with carrots, also a source of carotenoids, electrolytes, and sugars (glucose, fructose and galactose) in a better ratio for replenishing glycogen than fruit sugars.

Almond said...

I find your opening paragraph regarding the flood of "foodstuffs" replacing real food with nutrients to be really interesting. I think Gary Taubes also once wrote that obesity may be more of a disease stemming from malnutrition than one of corpulent excess. When I embarked on a low-carb diet, it really opened my eyes to the real nutrient content of "processed food". The grocery aisles are stocked with cans of chicken "broth" of corn syrup solids, sugar, salt, MSG but no real chicken or vegetables.

Puddleg said...

It's old-fashioned food fraud, the adulteration of food with cheaper extenders and chemicals that mask the substitution. Because it's regulated and disclosed it's not illegal (if the substitution tricks weren't correctly labelled those fake-food products would still be illegal).

Almond said...

Back in my home country food regulation over proper and accurate food labeling is very lax. Bottles labelled as EVOO could contain as little as 10% of actual olive oil; the rest is adulterated with corn/soy/cottonseed oils.
I'm thankful that Canada has relatively stricter laws on food labeling and require food companies to be honest in disclosing their ingredients (though I would appreciate it even more if companies were obliged to label if something was made or contain GMO-ingredient). I think the only way to fight fraud and the onslaught of "foodstuffs" will be education and more education. Not only what goes into the food, but also how and why it was made. Back where I came from, many people were unaware that "cream" came from cows. The only "creamers" the public has access to is a concoction made from hydrogenated vegetable oils, flavours, and preservatives that can last months on the shelf. It frustrates me that people have basically lost touch with how their food come from, and the significant impact it can have their health.

Okay, rant over. :)

Almond said...

Unfortunately, I also think many children have lost touch with their own bodies' innate drive in seeking out wholesome foods. The last time I checked the ingredient label on baby formula, soy and corn syrup solids were two of the first five ingredients listed. I wonder if being fed on a high-sugar diet when they're so young has any long-lasting impact on their later nutritional choices in life..

Puddleg said...

Sheesh, that's terrible. The first use of soy for baby feeding was during the siege of Leningrad. Excusable because people were dying of starvation. Inexcusable in a rich country. It shows the resilience of the human organism that babies can grow on food I wouldn't throw to my dog.
I wonder, what exactly is the "evidence base" that supports these substitutions? What RCT has fed one group of babies on milk formula (lactose, whey, casein) and another on soy and corn?

Silvia Price said...

I would have picked carrots and beets simply for the colors.

Unknown said...

I think your main point is a good one and one I have tried to make on my blog. Food choices generally are not a major issue until man made processes and circadian mismatches caused our brain to not be able to do this intuitively and intrinsically. Nice write up about history.

Galina L. said...

Many hyperactive children crave sugar to the point that they seems to hate any other food source. My son was like that, and he gave me very hard time while growing up. From my observations - children should be let really hungry between meals in order to be able to make reasonable food choices. It is possible only when junk foods are just out of house and snacking is zero. In modern society parents feel guilty if children are not offered variety of snacks 24/7 out of unreasonable fear of under-nutrition. By the actual meal time children who have better appetite regulation than most adults and are usually not excessively hungry and able to eat only sugary foods or the food with appetite-stimulating substances. Then they start to request snacks with an abnormal amount of flavor. Then pharm companies start to work to develop a drug to cure hyperphagia , from a study sited on Peter's blog "So the dramatic increase in the prevalence of obesity "is caused by "the lack of progress in combating one of the most serious health problems of this century" - "hyperphagia-induced obesity"

Puddleg said...

@ Sylvia,
yes it looks almost as if there's a convalescent instinct for anthocyanin colours - it would have been interesting if berries had also been on the menu. Similarly, the idea that prunes are a medicine may relate to colour as well as fibre.

@ Jack,
you might like this

In fact, I just discovered something looking up PER2, the Clock protein that inhibits HCV replication: it's a cold thermogenesis pathway!
"Here we show that mice without functional Period2 (Per2) were cold sensitive because their adaptive thermogenesis system was less efficient. Upon cold-exposure, Heat shock factor 1 (HSF1) induced Per2 in the BAT. Subsequently, PER2 as a co-activator of PPARα increased expression of Ucp1. PER2 also increased Fatty acid binding protein 3 (Fabp3), a protein important to transport free fatty acids from the plasma to mitochondria to activate UCP1. Hence, in BAT PER2 is important for the coordination of the molecular response of mice exposed to cold by synchronizing UCP1 expression and its activation."

So it's obvious why PER2 inhibits HCV replication, as a co-activator of PPAR-alpha, the metabologenomic arch-enemy of HCV.
Which gives us another strategy to activate PPAR-alpha and inhibit HCV - cold exposure.
To add to these existing strategies:
- carbohydrate restriction
- intermittent fasting or calorie restriction
- naringenin
- vigorous exercise

Maybe light exposure too:

@ Galina,
maybe one reason fish oil works for ADHD relates to DHA stimulating PPAR-alpha. This increases the amount of fat being burnt in the liver - which should decrease hunger for sugar, increase insulin sensitivity, and so on. It's maybe not all about the structural role of these fats in membranes, but also about the metabolic effects of their peroxidation products.

Monkeys in zoos in the UK are no longer allowed to eat bananas because the excess sugar makes them violent and diabetic.
If a banana does that to a monkey...

Unknown said...

George, re:To add to these existing strategies

i would add LDN to that list, i been taking 3mg for 2 years, viral load down from >6M to <1M (800K LAST PCR), also can one purchase Narenginin in the UK?